Today, I interviewed two men on the impact of societal ingrained toxic masculinity. Being born in an African home, especially, is always your first experience and entrance into the world of misogyny, patriarchy and toxic masculinity. It is almost like an undying culture, so to understand and shed more light into this, I interviewed two men, asking almost the same questions to see their views on these issues.
Interview 1
First I have with me Abdulmalik, please introduce yourself:
My name is Abdulmalik, I’m a software developer and a student of UNILAG.
Also a poet and a tech bro, a fine boy but my head is quite big.
Lol, a tech bro, amazing. Welcome Abdulmalik. Thank you for agreeing to do this with me. As you know, the topic we’d be speaking on is the impact society has on toxic masculinity. What would you say is the reason some men fight against the destruction of toxic masculinity?:
I would say it is because toxic masculinity is given to men like a bomb wrapped in a nice package, so they don’t see the negative impact of it in their lives. It is painted as this thing that makes them superior, like they are alphas and they are in charge, so to men, toxic masculinity is a good thing, it is a proof that they are men which makes no sense because nothing decides what you are literally by birth. And society rewards this toxicity, the society actually makes you feel more important if you are a toxic male and why you’d see that it’s not just men that fight it.
Yes, there are also women that fight against the destruction of this system, it is disturbing really. My next question has to be at what point does toxic masculinity begin? The things we are told as children shape up our mindsets. What is that one thing you heard the most as a boy child that you believe contributes toxic masculinity?:
I would prefer to tell a story, growing up I was always the star student, there was this one time in jss2 or 3, we had this civic education teacher that was always on my matter so one time this lady Fatimah came first in class and he shamed me for it, he shamed me that I let a lady beat me in class, he made it seem like it was even worse, that it was a lady that came first instead of me.
Wow, there was a Twitter discourse recently on this and hearing you mention it reminded me of how many tweets I saw complaining about this same issue. It also sprang up conversations about male privileges, are there any privileges you in particular have realized being a man gives you?:
A lot, an instance would be that no one would question my success as a man, even if in the real sense of things, I slept my way to the top. No one would question it, I have a higher chance of getting into higher positions at work, in things like politics than a woman would have because people have been led to believe that men are better leaders, even though history has shown us otherwise and even now, we are seeing that it is simply not true.
This is such a well thought out answer, thank you and I do agree, women are given lesser chances in places of governance and it is disturbing. Every system put in place to oppress a minority eventually hurts those that created it, is there anyway misogyny has affected you as a man?:
To be very honest, misogyny is disgusting and it has affected me in the sense that when I go online and I read things that happen to women because of misogynistic men, in a way, I start feeling bad that I am a man. I feel like I am part of a group of people who cause a lot of harm and I could also be a threat unless it is proven otherwise and while I understand that, it makes me feel bad as a person that just walking behind a woman at night could cause her to be so scared.
It is really bad but this is what men have reduced what it is to be a man to.
That sounds really depressing, it must be hard living like that but yes, it is very scary having a man walking behind you at night and I am glad you acknowledged that. Is there anything you wish men were told more often as children?:
Yes, I wish we were told that it is okay to be vulnerable. I wish men were raised properly and not made to believe that women owe them something just because they are men, I wish men were taught respect and empathy. I wish they’d be given more love and told that it was okay to show love, that they didn’t have to be so hard on themselves and to not see themselves as objects of success. They are worthy, irrespective of their current financial status.
Gosh, I might be tearing up a little, lol. I hope the upcoming generations of men are taught this. My final question stems from the fact that your answers have been progressive. I believe society puts men in a box, are you working on breaking out of the box? And if you are, how has the journey been so far?:
It has not been pretty to be honest, there has been a lot of internal conflict between who I was before and who I am now becoming and it is crazy because I never realized these things and how much misogyny and toxic masculinity has been normalized in our society. Not until I met certain people and I had arguments with them a lot in the past, I started to unlearn my bias and learn new things and the peace that came with it, it was so much better. I feel better because it feels like your mind, soul and body finally align with the things you are saying and the things you believe in.
It hurts me that we have to end this interview here, it has been so insightful. Thank you so much once again for honoring this invite and for your brilliant replies, I learnt something and I hope everyone that reads it takes a new knowledge away from it.
To be continued. Thank you!!



